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You can't be a good tester if you love programmers!

Submitted by Cicero » Wed 22-Feb-2012, 13:30

Subject Area: Testing

Keywords: testability, Dennis Lillie, agile, hack

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I just don't like programmers. Never have, never will. They're careless, undisciplined, totally lacking in any kind of wisdom, think they can build software in their heads without a design (isn't that what all this "agile" garbage is about? ... "Let's all gather round the kernel and hack ... then give a show and tell in two weeks ") ... without a thought about testability, without a requirement spec you can write a test to. Do I need to go on?. I'm just never going to make it past maturity level 2 (ref your Attitudes to Testing at http://www.chambers.com.au/services/testing/testing.php). I can't!

On this page you say, "Today we much prefer to work with developers early in the life cycle to create testable requirements." If this is the right of passage to maturity level III, count me out! Are you kidding? Most programmers can't write requirements! A good percentage of them can't talk in polite society.

I'm with Dennis Lillie, the legendary Australian fast bowler. He got it right. He often spoke of his primal hate of batsmen. Just bowl em out.

Here take this test case!

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RE: You can't be a good tester if you love programmers!

Unseen Errors: How Invisible Spaces Mirror Bugs in Code

By Adam Golden » Sun 13-Jul-2025, 01:04, My rating: ✭ ✭ ✭ ✭ ✭

It's interesting how you describe programmers missing key steps—much like how invisible spaces can silently impact digital content without notice. Both bugs and blank characters can go undetected, creating hidden issues later. Just as testers uncover flaws in code, tools that detect invisible spaces help ensure clarity, accuracy, and control in writing or development. Whether in code or copy, unseen elements can cause real-world problems if ignored.

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